con·ver·sa·tion: the informal exchange of ideas by spoken words.
I watched a “conversation” between Trevor Noah (Daily Show) and Tomi Lauren today. What I saw were two intelligent, informed individuals who had no interest in hearing one another. They only had an interest in hearing a couple words from the other that they could twist to win a point for their side. All while being cheered on by an audience who couldn’t get enough.

This is not uncommon in our society today. Many do not converse to learn, be challenged, and to grow. We look for things around us to tell us we are right and the other side is wrong. This only leads to division and not unity.

The other common problem in conversation today is a lack of them. When we only want others to agree with us, many simply will deny conversations from happening that might challenge them or make them think outside what they are comfortable with. Often times, they chose to have side conversations with others to drum up support and understanding while not talking to other side that can bring healing or conclusion. This only leads to division and not unity.

Maturity and community leads to people who are willing to converse and listen.


Pastor Tom Hypes
The Shepherd’s Fellowship

“Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.” James 1:19-21


“Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene.” 2 Timothy 2: 14-17a

About Tom Hypes

Tom Hypes is an ordained Pastor who has served in churches and the camping ministry for over 25 years. He currently leads at The Shepherd's Fellowship and volunteers at Leapin' Outreach (clothing ministry), Marion County Citizen Circle (helping clients with transitions from prison to community), Kirkpatrick Food Pantry, and ministers in the local nursing homes. He has also contributed to Group Magazine, CBA Marketplace, and Youth Worker Magazine. He serves in his ministry in the partnership with his family; wife Jenni, son Ryan, and daughter Emily.